Bev Hepting on Show #33: How to Get Things Done 

Bev Hepting offers online and offline coaching to business women, helping them overcome the fear of public speaking. She is the owner of Discover Your Voice, a company dedicated to help women discover their authentic voice, which plays a significant role in building their confidence and making it easier for them to stand up and speak.

On today’s episode, Bev talks about the daily routine she does to be productive as a business owner and how she balances work and family despite working from home. She also shares how she deals with the ‘bad’ days when things don’t go as they should and how she celebrates the good times when she is living more fully, which according to Bev, is happening more frequently because of her conscious effort and intentionality.

If I could go back and give myself a bit of advice it would be to create some relationships with the people you want to learn from and talk to them and really get to know them. – Bev Hepting

This Week on the POWER to Live More Podcast:

  • How Bev gets things organised as she begins her day
  • Some of her most helpful and essential tools
  • Discovering which business style fits the best
  • The importance of accountability
  • Tools and applications she uses to do things more easily and accomplish her tasks
  • Activities to stay healthy and help herself be productive
  • Why prioritising relaxing the mind is as important as the physical body
  • Personal growth and development techniques

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Jo Dodds: Today I'm interviewing Bev Hepting of Discover Your Voice with Bev Hepting. Great to have you with us Bev. Thanks for joining me.
Bev Hepting: It's good to be here.
Jo Dodds: I love doing that intro then. All that Bev Hepting bit going on there.
Bev Hepting: [inaudible 00:00:17] Get the name out.
Jo Dodds: You're my first person I think who's got their name in their company title or their business offering title. It's very ... we put great emphasis on your name then.
Bev Hepting: I get it.
Jo Dodds: Start by telling us a bit about you, what you do and where you do it.
Bev Hepting: Okay. Well, yes, I'm Bev Hepting as has been mentioned many times. I coach women in business who hate the idea of standing up and speaking in public. When I call my business, Discover Your Voice, what I try to do is help women really dig deep and discover their own authentic voice within their business which makes it a lot easier for them to actually stand up and speak. I do a lot of online coaching and some off line coaching and I do it from home in my little office with a beautiful view. Occasionally I'll go out to some draughty hall somewhere with a group of people and we'll do a whole sort of coaching session.
Jo Dodds: I love that. Yeah. I've just got this image of a draughty hall now.
Bev Hepting: They can be.
Jo Dodds: Lovely. I've looked at your website and I can see you do have an office, so it's a separate room that you work from, is it?
Bev Hepting: Yes.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I guess it is, I have to. I overtook what was the spare bedroom and it was a tiny room, so it couldn't really be called a bedroom. That made it easier to say, "I'm taking over." Because I needed to sort of go into somewhere to work and then leave somewhere to work otherwise I struggled personally with that whole division bit.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: So yes, I have an office and I have all sorts of lovely things around to motivate me and keep me going.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. And is it very much that you do work in the office and when you've finished you leave it? So you don't sort of find yourself working in other rooms or going to coffee shops and that sort of thing?
Bev Hepting: Jo, I wish I could say that that was the case and I was that disciplined, but I not. Sometimes I'll be sitting there in the evening, and my, I've got my main computer, but my laptop is always in the lounge and suddenly it will be like, "oh, I forgot to." I grab the laptop, so I'll be watching some rubbish on the TV while trying to catch with something. I can't say I always. I try to. I try to be disciplined, but sometimes it slips.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. Me too. Although I have read a lot recently about people having sort of different work stations if you like for different things, so if people write a lot they perhaps have this one place where they always write and then for other types of work they have different place where they do that. It always strikes me that if that's the case you must have quite a big house. We have to have all these different rooms.
Bev Hepting: I'd just be taking sideway to six if I did that and then I can get where I left everything.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: Mine all has to be in one place you know, as messy as it can look sometimes in my office, I know where it all is.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. Talk us through sort of a typical day or typical morning. How you sort of get yourself going, organised and how you sort of work with people.
Bev Hepting: Okay. I'm not sure there's a typical day.
Jo Dodds: Everyone says that.
Bev Hepting: It'll all be ... yeah. I mean, there's always typical morning. My morning, what I try to do is sort of save it up for people that I work with, I say you know, the office is open from 10:00 onwards. Nine times out of 10 I'll have got up at 6:00, 7:00 and had my cup of, always have to have my cup of tea. Then I have to read the paper, you know. And not specifically because I'm politically minded or it could be a comic, but for some reason I have to read a paper in the morning and drink my cup of tea. When I've done that-
Jo Dodds: With your sort of staying abreast of current piece until you told me it's nothing to do with that. It's just that you need to-
Bev Hepting: No. I wish I could say I really wanted to keep up with it, no. I mean, I can hold a conversation with people and say, "yes, I understand Kelly is being blockaded and I think we're out of Brexit." "Did I miss that?" But I tend to, it's almost like ritual. I can just sit and read and you know, take in some things and I'm having my cup of tea and I'm gearing up and then, when I start work I can then go in. I go through Facebook messages first. Then I go through my emails and I think, "right, I've got those out of the way." "Aren't I clever."
Then I have, I actually have a production calendar. I spent a long time putting this together about what I was going to put on social media, on what day and where and how and all of that. Monday, very good with that. By Friday, I've completely forgotten. I've [inaudible 00:05:20] anything. I sort of have these set rituals that waiver. It's the only way I can put it, but I do try to get all the main things done in the morning. If I get everything done in the morning that needs to be done, it's on my to do list. I know I've got to catch up with people.
You know, my diary is my absolute, you know I have tried every production sort of app in the world and I still go back to my diary and a pen, so that I can pick it up and see it. I think I would have a nervous breakdown if I lost my diary. Once that's all clear, after that it's really a case of looking up sort of the next set of priorities. The next set then is, am I getting any traffic to the website? Am I doing anything to market? Am I getting out my messages right? Things like that and at the moment I'm launching a cause so it's content writing as well, so yeah, mornings are pretty much a ritual. Afternoons, waiver a lot depending upon how I feel.
Jo Dodds: Yes. And would you say you are a morning person or a sort of later in the day person? I'm just kind of curious.
Bev Hepting: I'm definitely a morning person. The earlier I can start work, the better.
Jo Dodds: Right.
Bev Hepting: By 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon I'm beginning to dip.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I'm in bed by nine, so yeah.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. That's sort of where that structure comes in in the morning isn't. It's funny, it's interesting, I've tried to do the morning thing and I've been you know, you read all about things like the miracle morning and all that sort of stuff and I've come the conclusion for the second time, so I'm going to believe myself this time, that I'm not a morning person. I come down, but I choose not ...
Bev Hepting: I'm not sure my morning's a miracle but, then I think for me I had to figure out because I've got Fibromyalgia, I had to figure out where my better energy was.
Jo Dodds: Yes.
Bev Hepting: Where I'm more likely to be productive and for me, it's the mornings. I can't guarantee later on in the afternoons or evenings how I'm going to be, so I try if I've got coaching calls I try to keep them in the mornings.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: And anything I can just sort of fiddle out or sit and you know, goes into the afternoon.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I think if we just always work out where we are best. I remember biorhythms was a big thing way back in the day and I really got into this, yes I'm up then and I'm down there and where do the three lines meet.
Jo Dodds: The thing I always things with those, when they talk about those 90 minutes cycles and everything, is how will you ever work out which part of it you're on. Because, you know, like say I'll do you know, three 25 minute pomodoro sessions and then have a longer break because you've done a 90 minute you know, amount of focus. But, if you're starting it at the wrong point in that rhythm then it isn't going to work, is it?
Bev Hepting: Well, my disrespect to these lovely people who have obviously spent many years studying all this, I actually think if you listen to yourself and your own energy levels, your own sort of way of working, you figure it out for yourself. I'm a bit of a, I went through a phase where I went and literally chucked all the books out the window. I thought, "what are we doing with our lives?" It's too much bother to try and even figure out when I'm supposed to be doing what, so I don't.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Just sort of as you say, what sort of suits you. Which is what I would say to everybody thinking about you know, energy or productivity or focus or whatever you're doing. It's all so individual isn't it. There's all these sort of great ideas and models and research and so on, but ultimately it comes down to what works for you, doesn't it?
Bev Hepting: It has to or you can really stress yourself out trying to fit into somebody else's model that just doesn't work with the way you work. I mean, I'm a bit of a, as some people say, I'm a bit of a maverick. I'm a bit of a, I'm just going to chuck mud at the wall and see how much sticks type of person.
Jo Dodds: Mm-hmm (affirmative)
Bev Hepting: Because I tried when I was first sort of thinking about going online and I was looking at all the things they do about you know, productivity and getting all this done. And I got my stuff into a real mess trying to follow a lot of these guru's, as they call themselves, systems. And so, in the end I thought well, actually you know, it's my business. It's my brand. It's my energy. It's my expertise. I'm going to have to do it my way because people are going to have to learn to work with me and the way I work.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Also, doesn't you determining how you want to work, doesn't necessarily impact or isn't visible to your clients in lots of cases anyway, so you've just said you do most of your coaching calls in the morning. I block all my mornings out, so I send people links to book time into my diary. The only options people have are the afternoon, so I'm sorry.
Bev Hepting: No. That's fine. You know, and I'm, for me you know, that's fine. I work with other people's things. If I want to do that, I mean, I want to talk to you and have a chat with you so I'll be here in the afternoon.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: You know, somebody else who is somebody I completely dislike, I'm not going to waste my afternoons.
Jo Dodds: I'm flattered that you've given your afternoon for me.
Bev Hepting: Yeah. Like webinars and things. I'll come to this one and I look at some sites and I think, is it worth my while being around that late in the afternoon or in the middle of the night to get into that?
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I think as women working from home, especially if we've got you know, children or grandchildren and partners and a lot of other things in our lives, you do have to stop sometimes and say, is this actually worth your time? It's not about money. It might be free, but actually nothing's free. It costs us our time and our energy, so we have to ask those questions.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Exactly. I've been looking at running some webinars or a webinar in a few weeks time on something new that I'm doing and in the old days I would always have gone for the evening slot because that's what everyone says, that's when everyone says everyone's available. You know, after the children have gone to bed. All that sort of stuff, but you know, for me it's been like aiming at working from home people like myself, you know, I want to do it in the day. I don't want to do it in the evening when the family are home and I want to do other things. I want to do stuff in the day time and there must be other people in the same boat, but we've sort of ended up in this routine of webinars always start at 7:00 or 8:00 at night. And you know, frankly I've got other things to do.
Bev Hepting: All my webinars are done at 11:00 in the morning.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. Exactly.
Bev Hepting: 1:00 in the afternoon, the latest because I do think about women have to go and pick up kids and things like that.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I don't do evening webinars because I don't have the energy to do them, so I suppose in some ways I put a bit of my own self in it and I think, well, there's probably a lot of other people that don't have the energy or have finished work and don't want to have to stop watching Coronation Street to go and listen to me, so no, I'm not going to do evening webinars.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Exactly. That leads us quite nicely into your evenings. Do you have a sort of end of day routine to shut that office door and go and do other stuff? Or does it continue to be a bit more ad hoc?
Bev Hepting: It's very ad hoc. My husband is a coach driver, so his hours, sometimes he'll come home relatively early in the evening and other times I don't see him till the next morning. Sometimes it depends on when he's home. When he's home I quite like to shut the door and do something different. If I'm alone in the house I flit backwards and forwards, but the one thing, my guilty pleasure if you like, is rubbish TV. You know, Keeping up with the Kardashians. I do a bit of Jeremy Kyle. I know, and I've got a media degree and I still love the rubbish TV. And for me, I'll sit there and I'll get out my tablet and play these mindless you know, match three games. And I can just put all my energy back down again and then, I'm like I'm ready for bed now. Then, I'll go to bed and I'll read and that gets me ready to just go to sleep without it all going on in my head.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I think we're always in danger if we're not careful of having all these things going on in our head and thinking, did I do that? Well I don't know. I haven't done this and I work very hard not to let that happen because I really do need my sleep, so I'll do something that doesn't stimulate the brain too much in the evening.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. No, I can understand that. What about getting things done? You talked about your trusty diary and pen. How do you actually know what to do and make sure you do those things? You also talked about your social media planner. That was quite impressive until you said by Friday it wasn't working so well.
Bev Hepting: Well, then I can go back to it. I think for me, I'm a big ideas person and I work with this coach who keeps trying to make me do plans. Business plans and I go, I hate plans. But the social media plan, having it there you know, how you some days you'd sit in front of the computer and you go, I haven't got a clue what to write about today.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: The whole time you go on about the cat being sick on Facebook, what am I going to do? The sort of production calendar as I call it helps when I look at it and go, well okay, I'm going to do a video on a Friday and a podcast on a Tuesday, so it's something I can go back to when the brain goes blank.
Jo Dodds: Yes.
Bev Hepting: And that is incredibly useful, so I have that and I have a huge list of all the emails that I'm going to do based on the work I do. I spend one day when I had a major surge of productivity breaking down all my subjects so I have 365 email topics to pick from.
Jo Dodds: Wow, so that's impressive.
Bev Hepting: Yeah. So, when I'm stuck here going, well I don't know, I must have something I need to do. I can pull it out of files. I have tried you know, fancy, clever apps for to do lists and things, but I still go back to the trusty diary and a piece of paper and I write down my to do list and I try to make sure at least, and I wish I could say I did this everyday, but at least twice in the week I'll go through that list and go, have I made sure I've done these things. And when they get really urgent I've got a big white board that they go up in big read pen to remind me.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: And they're usually things I don't really want to do.
Jo Dodds: Right.
Bev Hepting: And I have here, they're all like, they're lovely too. I like that, I'll do that and I'll do that. No, I don't want to do that.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I'm trying to train myself to go down the list regardless and that's a work in progress.
Jo Dodds: Yes. I can understand that. It's interesting I've been doing something this summer. A programme that I discovered about six months ago and then it sort of cropped up at the beginning of the summer where I did 28 days of doing stuff that I didn't want to do. I.e. the stuff I was procrastinating on, but really did need to do and doing a small amount every day and the programme is a group programme. You basically just go in and commit to what you're going to do and then report back at the end of the day to say that you've done it. There's you know, a community element to it and sort of check boxes and that sort of thing. And it, the stuff I got done even when I was on holiday in a caravan was just amazing because of that accountability and that you know, and that sort of group accountability. [crosstalk 00:17:03] Sorry. Say again.
Bev Hepting: I said, it's so important. My accountability is something that for me, I really miss working for myself.
Jo Dodds: Yes.
Bev Hepting: It's lonely enough when you work on your own. I recently joined a 30 day blocking challenge.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: And again, for me that was right. I committed to this, so every day I do my blog and I go in and I think for anybody who's working on their own at home, having some sort of accountability helps tremendously.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Exactly. This programme I found really good and actually I was about to say, I did that whole, what was his name? Victor Kiam bit, loved it so much bought the company. Didn't buy the company, but I have got a licence that programme, but I was thinking actually by the time this is published I will have launched my programme, so instead ... instead of thinking [crosstalk 00:17:59]
Bev Hepting: Let me know.
Jo Dodds: I think, sort of knowing it's coming. Anyone listening to this podcast when it comes out if you look up Get it Done, no, Get Stuff Done with Power then that will be what I'm talking about. It's just not existing yet, so there we go. What about other sort of tools and apps. We talked about sort of getting stuff done. Are there other things that you use that you would recommend that sort of make things easier for you or you get done?
Bev Hepting: Yeah.
Jo Dodds: I mean, for example you talk about your social media a lot. You must use some tools for that, do you?
Bev Hepting: I use Canva.
Jo Dodds: I love Canva.
Bev Hepting: Because it's free. [inaudible 00:18:39] We love Canva. Grammarly is the other one for me because I speak, I write the way I speak sometimes, so I use Grammarly all the time to make sure I've got my grammar right.
Jo Dodds: I only discovered that recently actually as a result of the group that we met in, Wendy Kier’s group and I can't remember what it's called. Speaking Pro isn't it on Facebook and it was somebody that recommended it the group and so uploaded it. It's in various guises but I've got it as a plug in on my Chrome browser.
Bev Hepting: Yeah.
Jo Dodds: It's really good, isn't it?
Bev Hepting: I love it and it sort of, whatever I'm doing you know, even offline, I can check it, so that for me is really important. And the other one I use all the time is something called Web Text Tool.
Jo Dodds: Nope, I've not heard of that one.
Bev Hepting: Pardon?
Jo Dodds: I've not heard of that, tell us more.
Bev Hepting: Never heard of that. Web Text Tool is another, you get a free version or you can pay for more, but you put your blog in it and it has this little checklist going down the side around have you, you know, whether you've got enough key words or you've got too many or if the key word is a good key word or not. And which bit you could block out and all of that, so you get your 100% and it's got this little counter. When you see 100% I then just copy the whole over to the web site.
Jo Dodds: Wow. Yeah.
Bev Hepting: So it does that for me because I don't really understand, well I sort of understand SEO search engine optimization. It's a bit like the car, I sort of know how it goes, but I don't really want to get my hands dirty under the bonnet.
Jo Dodds: Yes.
Bev Hepting: Knowing that that's never going to be my you know, greatest strength, any tool will help me get that right, I got yes, thank you very much. God bless.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. That sounds really good. Yeah.
Bev Hepting: [inaudible 00:20:35]
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Cool. Is that your list of tools or apps done, or have you got anymore?
Bev Hepting: They're my three top ones. The only other one that I use, because the other thing I got quite overwhelmed with once I actually started having clients. You see, business is quite easy when you don't have any clients.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: Then you get clients and you have to manage the clients.
Jo Dodds: That's the bit about the rubber hitting the road, isn't it? That's the moment of truth.
Bev Hepting: It so overwhelmed me that I then went hunting for something that would help me manage all of that, so I use Insightly at the moment and I'm trying very hard to become more disciplined in how I do that. That's the other one. Otherwise, I'm a bit like a magpie, I do tend to, they come up and then I go play with that for a while and then it drops off and then I'll go play with something else for a while and then it drops off.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. I can relate.
Bev Hepting: These whole six months it's doing its job.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. Can you just say that, the one you just again, is it Sightly? Did you say?
Bev Hepting: Insightly.
Jo Dodds: Insightly and what does that do?
Bev Hepting: It's a customer relationship management tool. It's free. Another one that you know, you can do, the free has enough for anyone unless they need something huge.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: And you can put everything then into tasks and into projects. You've got all your contacts there, emails. If you're doing follow ups. Also, things like when you're pitching, so you know, if you pitched work to somebody like, you know, if I offered to do a course and they're thinking about it. I put it in there as a, this is an opportunity. It's got all those sorts of things in there that is relatively easy to manage. It's what I call a user friendly one.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: It's for small businesses. I think you know, when I start having so many clients I don't know what to do with myself, I might pay a fortune and have somebody that alternates everything. Until then, I have to do it all myself.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. No, that sounds like a good tool though. I use Actual CRM, but every so often I get [crosstalk 00:22:48]
Bev Hepting: I looked at that one. It's funny isn't it? Some people, we all have different ways we work and some things work better than others and again, I always say to everybody, if it's out there to test, go play with it and see how it goes.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. The amount of CRMs that have got me listed as a potential customer.
Bev Hepting: Mine is email cultivation. Like I have to set up new emails, you have to test it again cause I've forgotten.
Jo Dodds: Yes. And somebody will say, there's a new tool called you know, fairly new tool called such and such and such and you go, yeah I've already got an account on that. That was like ...
Bev Hepting: The one that's really good at the moment that I find, is Meet Edgar? Have you come across that one?
Jo Dodds: I've got that on my to do list to sign up and I have had it on there for ages and I keep thinking I will and then I keep thinking, I think it's something like $50 a month or something. I think for that I could just do a spreadsheet myself and upload it to the Hootsuite once every six months. Do I need to spend this money? Which is not like me. I'm not normally so sensible.
Bev Hepting: Right. No, I just went back to buffer.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Well, I use Buffer and Hootsuite. I could just throw Meet Edgar in you know, just for sort of variety, but yeah I do keep thinking it would be really quite handy. Just to be able to recycle stuff without having to think too much about it would be helpful I think.
Bev Hepting: That's what, when I did the free trial I just thought, this is brilliant because it did recycle stuff, but it didn't [warren 00:24:10] and I think that's another thing. It's very easy to get sucked in and I think I've wasted a lot of money getting sucked into things before I have to stop and refocus and go, now what is really important to keep the business going? Really, you know, just because you're chucking money at it, doesn't mean it's going to make your business any better.
Jo Dodds: No.
Bev Hepting: It's like a Infusion Soft. You know, for while I was thinking, should I? Cause that does everything and everybody's got Infusion Soft. Look at the cost of it and you know, in the end you have to go, no. Stop.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: It doesn't matter you know, you have to get your business settled and going and you know, before you start looking at all these fancy sort of tools that make your life easier.
Jo Dodds: That's that opportunity cost thing as well that things like Infusion Soft take so much time to learn properly to actually, you know, you really need to be absolutely certain that it's worth the investment of not only money, but your time. Especially then, when you know, one of the other podcast guests, [Nicola Cairncross 00:25:12] said that she uses Infusion Soft. She's found some other tools that she really likes and she would transfer over to them, but for the fact that she's invested so much of her business time into Infusion Soft that you know, it's really not worth it at the moment sort of thing.
Bev Hepting: I'd rather pay somebody else to do the job for me, to be fair.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: That's what I look forward to, that time when I can afford a VA. A VA that does things I won't do and I'll send her on that course you know.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Exactly.
Bev Hepting: Things I don't want to do.
Jo Dodds: Moving onto sort of a more, sort of less work stuff. What about you do to relax when you're not working and how you keep healthy. You mentioned fibromyalgia, so I guess you've got some challenges that not all of my guests have in that respect. What sort of things do you do to look after yourself?
Bev Hepting: Yeah. It is a challenge sometimes. I've recently started doing reiki. Because of the fibromyalgia, you know, you can't be touched. It's quite painful to be touched and I wanted something where I could just lay and I found this lovely lady who does it and so now, twice a month I go and have reiki with this lady. And for an hour, everything switches off and I don't know why I didn't do it earlier, so that's my, the one thing in my life I won't give up now I've found it.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I do some meditating. I'm not saying I'm a, you know, an expert meditator and probably a real you know, mediation guru would say, no you're just laying relaxed and falling asleep. But I like to think that I meditate and relax. I've got these two dogs that I walk when I can, so I do as much as I can to relax the mind as opposed to the body because fibromyalgia and there are a lot of illnesses out there that are really exacerbated by stress.
Jo Dodds: Yes.
Bev Hepting: I've found that I had to learn to stop stressing about the business. It was like, focus down. Keep it really simple and that was a big lesson for me. Focus on this and you know, you know what you do. You know you're good at it. Once the people that are doping the courses and I get really good feedback from them, that whole you know, give it time. It's not going to happen tomorrow as much as I wish it would. Once I've got that in my head. It's that mindset. I found it a lot easier then to sit back and go, okay, I'm not going to get stressed by this. I'm going to go and take that time for me to do reiki. If I'm tired I'm going to stop and go down, you know, shopping even. I'm going to do something completely different. I'm reading. Like I read a lot of self help books about energy replacement and those sorts of things.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I wish I could say my diet was great, but it's not. I'm a bit of a, I'm a fatty eater and I've just given sugar because that's beginning to help with my mood swings and things like that. And it's amazing cause you meet so many people online you know, and all these people that say, it's online, it's not real. It's this. I have met so many people online that have given me some great help and tips and I've joined challenges that have been really good for me. You know, I found my coach, my energy coach online and I think you have to embrace that so for me it's about making sure that my mind and I'm not stressed because that helps relax the body. And I do what my body tells me to do when I need to relax and I think, if we could all do that and not punish ourselves so much for not working our fingers to the bone in 12 hours days and just accept that things take time.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: And you don't have to be sat at the computer making work if there isn't any. You know, you've done everything you've needed to do. Put it away. Relax and go off, so that's how I manage it all.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. That sounds good. What about learning and sort of development, personal development. You said you do a bit of that. You've talked about the books that you're reading. What are you doing? You've got coaches as well, you said. You've got one.
Bev Hepting: Yeah. I don't know about you, but again, in the beginning days I threw so much money at various learning things online and I had to stop.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. All those things on your shelf. What do they call it? Shelf learning. No. Is it shelf learning?
Bev Hepting: Yes. I must give that person hundreds of pounds for I don't know what. It looks good. No, what I did and I really do recommend ... I actually when I first started kept thinking, no I'm not going to get a coach. I can't afford a coach and I've just got ... if you can afford the coach, find one that you can afford cause I got a coach lady who's relatively local. She's not long distance and she coaches in a way that really suits me and works with the way I work.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: So, she does a lot around chakras and energy which is very much my you know, I love all that spiritual stuff. I'm a great believer in it, so it works for me. I'm not saying everybody should go out and find themselves a spiritual healer, but find a coach that you resonate with.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: And I talked to her twice a month and she is keeping me much more focused, so I've learned a lot more from her. I also have sort of, I do read books to learn. I read a lot of self help books and I do take them on board. I have got a point where now I think I'll take the bits that work and you know, there are bits that don't. It's you know, not every book works for everybody.
Jo Dodds: Mm-hmm (affirmative)
Bev Hepting: And I still will you know, join classes online, these groups. But what I do now, I'm very aware that you know, you don't have to pay a grand, $2,000, $3,000 pounds and be blackmailed into thinking if you don't invest that sort of money, then you know, everything will go wrong. I now look for people that when I listen to them or I talk to them, it makes sense. And they're charging affordable prices for me to learn in short bursts.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I'm a short burst person, so you know, like do something for a month with a weekly you know, online coaching call. Love it. Affordable price and I don't feel like I'm starving myself or you know, losing the rent money to do it. Great and I'm not made to feel guilty. I think especially women when they first start in it and I've found this online, it's a minefield out there of people claiming they can do so much for you and it's very difficult to know where to spend your money or invest in yourself.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I found really ... and that caused me more stress than anything, so that's why I say, I wish I'd got a coach right at the beginning rather than paying for all these things because it's a more personal relationship and you can relate to them and I've learned a lot from this lady. A lot more, not only about me personally, but about business and keeping it simple and knowing exactly what my goals are and where I want to be. Yeah. And I might not like the plans she gives me, but they work.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: But you know, they're a back up for me and she understands that, but she says, do it because then you've got it in your head and it's thought about and it is a back up. Yeah. I think for me, I think for anybody out there when you first start doing anything online for yourself or going online to learn anything, learning is so ... I can't even explain how frustrated I get with it online.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: Don't trust the online all the time. Talk to someone first, don't just dive in like I kept doing.
Jo Dodds: I think it's that whole recommendation piece as well, isn't it? It's partly about sort of getting to know people, but also getting to know people you trust who can give you sort of perspectives on stuff when you're looking at it as well, isn't it?
Bev Hepting: If I could go back to when I started and give myself a bit of advice, it would be to create some relationships with people you want to learn from and talk to them and really get to know them rather than just diving in with you know, these big goggle eyes going, they promised to make me a millionaire tomorrow or they promised me I'll know this. If I could have given myself that piece of advice, so I'm giving that piece of advice to anybody out there who's just started or thinking about it. Really get to know the people that you want to work with.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. Cool.
Bev Hepting: Less stress.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. It's actually and cheaper. You talked a bit about books before. Have you got any books, films or music that you recommend for either learning or just inspiration or enjoyment?
Bev Hepting: Well, I just finished reading a book that I think everybody should read called, From Fear to Eternity.
Jo Dodds: I like that play on words there.
Bev Hepting: Very clever. By a lady called Gina Diane Harding and it's all about limiting beliefs and shifting your energy.
Jo Dodds: Right.
Bev Hepting: It's was easy to read. I was away in a caravan this last couple of weeks and I read the book and it has some really useful little exercises you could do, so that's my go to book at the moment when I really want to reenergise or get rid of a limiting belief.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: Because generally, I'm going to apologise now for this, I love books about vampires or wizards. I'm a Harry Potter fan. I love all that magic where I could just disappear into a whole other world. And anything like that. I'm not really a music person. That's usually just on in the background, but I do like my you know, fantasy stuff. If I'm watching films or watching TV.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Lovely. I'm a bit of a Harry Potter person, but not any of the vampire stuff. I never really got into all that, but it's funny I saw ...
Bev Hepting: I discovered it recently and I thought, these are good night reading. I'll read about vampires before bed.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. I saw, I can't think of his name. The guy who played Harry Potter in a trailer for ...
Bev Hepting: Daniel Radcliffe.
Jo Dodds: Daniel Radcliffe, that's right. In a trailer on Amazon Prime yesterday for a recommended video and it's one where he's, it's like a romantic comedy and it just feels so wrong. I mean, that's little Harry Potter. He can't do proper girlfriends.
Bev Hepting: I know I watched him, he is an amazing actor. I have watched a few films he's been in and you don't see him as Harry Potter when you're watching some of these films. And some of them are quite dark, so yeah.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. A bit of casting definitely. Cool. We're coming towards the end of the interview now, what about days when things don't go right. When you have a bit of a bad day, how do you deal with that?
Bev Hepting: I allow it to happen. I think the best thing anybody can do is when it's going wrong, and we all have those days. Days when you're looking at the bills going out and no money coming in or the technology's gone wrong. I tend to go, well that's it. I'm turning, unless I've got live calls or anything. I tend to turn everything off. I grab a duvet I'll sit in front of the telly and I'll watch TV and read books and I will take a day off. But what I say to myself every time is, you can take this time off, but 9:00 tomorrow morning you'll be back at your desk and you'll start again. New day.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I have like a self negotiation so I allow myself to mope and moan for a certain amount of time and then I got back to it.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. That sort of, it comes quite a lot where they say, tomorrow's another day thing, but I do think that people quite often take that view but don't actually stop and do something different now, they still go through some of that.
Bev Hepting: You should never force yourself through those bad times because all you're doing is compounding it and making it worse. By just accepting the fact that everything's gone wrong and it's awful and things seem really bad. By allowing your body to go away and have a cry and have a scream and have a way to wrap yourself up and have a bit of a temper tantrum like a child, it's more willing the next morning to get up and go, okay we've got that out of our system. We start again.
Jo Dodds: Yeah.
Bev Hepting: I always ask myself the question, when is it going to kill anybody and luckily what I do isn't going to kill anyone.
Jo Dodds: That makes it an easier answer. That's good.
Bev Hepting: Yeah. Absolutely. I think if you're training to be a brain surgeon, it might be slightly difficult.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. Chucking a duvet over your head and reading about vampires might not do it.
Bev Hepting: Yeah. He is going to die.
Jo Dodds: Yeah. We may be luck in that respect. On the flip side then, on a day when you end the day knowing that you've had the chance to live more and I talk about that as doing the stuff that you want to do, not the things that you feel you have to do. What have you done? What's that day look like?
Bev Hepting: Those days are amazing and I'm getting more and more of those days and I think, I consciously try to make my days like that because when I'm sort of finished in the office and everything's on a high and I've had great feed back and the technologies worked and I've got a new client. It's almost like someone has given me a prize, you know, an Oscar. I almost feel like I'm floating. It sounds ridiculous, but I feel such a high energy level you know, and I can chat for hours to hubby about all this stuff going on and the world just seems a lot brighter. And I think I try very hard not to consciously at the end of the day say to myself, that that has worked welled to and that's worked well today and that's brilliant. And you know, nothing majorly disastrous happened, great. And that's a good day.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. It's interesting, you saying that more of those you know, they're happening more often. I think that's just such a lovely thing to hear because quite often you know, you sort of imagine and you think about these days and you think, you know it's, that was an amazing day and you know, another three months goes by and then you have another amazing day. But you know, to be focusing on that. It's funny I said to, I interviewed somebody else for the podcast today and he responded about how he felt at the end which is sort of what you've said as well. Whereas most people have responded by telling me the sorts of things that they did, so it was interesting that both of you on the same day are talking much more about the feeling which I think is important, is more important almost because what you're really saying is that you can have those days regardless of what you've done. You know, not regardless, but you know, it doesn't have to be a particular activity that's made you feel like that.
Bev Hepting: No, and I think it raises, and a lot of this has come from the book I read, it's about raising the energy level and when you consciously are aware of how you feel when you've had a really great day and sometimes it could be the littlest thing that has, just created such a big change for somebody else that you can, you know, you can grab that state, that mind state if you like and know that you are doing something worthwhile. And when I hear back from somebody who says to me, I would never have stood up in front of people I'd have been sick, but I did it yesterday and I feel great. I can also feel their energy and their feeling and I think if we always at the end of the day look at all the good things that have happened, you know, nine times out of ten more good things happen than bad if you look at it. It's just that we tend to concentrate on the bad things that happen and forget the good. Switch it over a bit.
Jo Dodds: Yes. Yeah. Exactly. That's a lovely answer to that and great to hear that you're having more of those day increasingly.
Bev Hepting: Yeah.
Jo Dodds: That's really good. Thank you. How can people find out more about you and connect with you?
Bev Hepting: Well, if they don't know my name by now, Bev Hepting. If you go to my website which is all the w's Bev Hepting.Co.UK has all my contact details on there and you know, anyone who just wants to ring, have a chat or there's free membership if they want. You know, resources to help them speak with more confidence all of that, so the best thing I can say is just put Bev Hepting into the Facebook blog, you'll find me. All the w's, Bev Hepting you'll find me. That's why I like my name being thrown about a lot.
Jo Dodds: Yes.
Bev Hepting: Cause if you go to Google you'll find me.
Jo Dodds: Exactly. But remember if you are going to be phoning Bev, try and do it in the morning.
Bev Hepting: Yeah. I find that you can say that. You can keep it in the morning.
Jo Dodds: I'm actually going to spend lots of money with her in which case phone anytime you like.
Bev Hepting: Yes.
Jo Dodds: Lovely. Thank you so much Bev, I've really enjoyed interviewing you.
Bev Hepting: It's been fun. Thank you very much.

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